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The Bugatti Veyron is no more. Whether you loved it as a technological marvel or hated it as a passionless robot with equally passionless drivers (and
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seems to be the latter), you cannot deny it as one of the most advanced cars ever made. Here are eight things you didn’t know about the Bugatti Veyron.
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The front grille was originally made of aluminum. However, that did not bode well for Veyrons during high-speed testing. It turns out that bird strikes are as big an issue for Veyrons as they are for planes. Grilles were thereafter made of titanium to meet bird strike standards and ensure that flying foes and other critters “arrive as
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” - Bugatti’s words, not mine.
2. The Bugatti coined “power meter” indicates how much horsepower is being used at any given point. It shows that !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! is needed to hit 155 mph in the Veyron. The remaining 731 hp is needed to reach 253 mph.
3. Veyrons could be ordered with several options from the factory including one carat !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! studded speedometer and power needles. Each diamond was cut with sixteen facets - one for each of the sixteen cylinders. How popular was this option? I cannot find a single picture of one such optioned car on the entire Internet.
4. Reaching 253 mph in a Veyron is more complicated than just finding a long enough stretch of road. To reach speeds greater than 234 mph, a second !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! must be inserted on the floor beside the driver seat prior to startup. Upon turning the key, the ride height is lowered to 2.5 inches, the spoiler angle is reduced to 2 degrees, the front diffuser flaps are closed, and the steering wheel turn is limited.
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If the average turbocharged engine, by nature, gets hot, it’s pretty safe to say that an engine made of two mated W8s and four turbochargers gets really hot. In fact,
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, the first Veyron engine underwent full throttle testing and produced enough heat to ignite the facility’s rooftop exhaust system nearly burning the building down. Later, driving a test mule at 200 mph resulted in six-foot-long exhaust flames. Whereas Lamborghini seems to celebrate their flames, Bugatti revamped the cooling system and created a titanium exhaust to do away with the “illegal” flames.
6. The Veyron has the highest operating costs of any production car. Some owners are reporting annual costs as much as !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . The Michelin Pilot Sport 2s featuring a Veyron-specific compound cost $42,000 per set; Bugatti recommends owners change them every 2,500 miles. After 10,000 miles, Bugatti recommends that the wheels are changed at a cost of !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . Oil changes cost !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . The average owner pays $2,500 per month to insure their Veyron. There are even mandatory annual detailing services totaling around $10,000. You may now start to see why the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! has enough money for three jets, one yacht, and eighty-four cars.
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Even the rich and famous struggle to justify these costs. !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! recently sold his Veyron. Rather than footing the $90,000 bill to replace a punctured radiator, he simply sold his Veyron for $1 million and used the money to buy a Ferrari 458, a McLaren MP4-12C, and a Lamborghini Aventador. !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! reportedly has his Veyron trailered to desirable driving locations while he follows in his private jet to reduce mileage and run costs.
7. Though it seemed more evident towards the end, we all know that Bugatti employed the help of special editions to facilitate sales throughout the Veyron’s life. How many special editions and marketable one-offs were there in total? By my count, there were thirty-four. Seriously. They are included below.
2007: Veyron Pur Sang, Veyron Pegaso 2008: Veyron Fbg Par Hermes, Veyron Sang Noir 2009: Veyron Blue Centenaire, Veyron Grand Sport Sang Bleu 2010: Veyron Nocturne, Veyron Grand Sport Grey Carbon, Veyron Grand Sport Royal Dark Blue, Veyron Grand Sport Soleil de Nuit, Veyron Sang d’Argent, Veyron Grand Sport Sang Blanc, Veyron Super Sport World Record 2011: Veyron Grand Sport Bijan Pakzad, Veyron Grand Sport Matte White, Veyron Grand Sport Red Edition, Veyron Grand Sport L’or Blanc, Veyron Grand Sport Middle East Edition, Veyron Super Sport Sang Noir, Veyron Super Sport Black Carbon, Veyron Super Sport Edition Merveilleux 2012: Veyron Grand Sport Wei Long Edition, Veyron Grand Sport Venet Edition, Veyron Grand Sport Brown Carbon, Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse Bianco, Veyron Super Sport Le Saphir Bleu 2013: Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse Lang Lang Edition, Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse Jean-Pierre Wimille Legends Edition, Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse Jean Bugatti Legends Edition, Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse Meo Costantini Legends Edition 2014: Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse Rembrandt Legends Edition, Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse Black Bess Legends Edition, Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse Ettore Bugatti Legends Edition 2015: Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse La Finale
8. Ferdinand Piëch is the grandson of Ferdinand Porsche, a 10% share holder in Porsche, and previous chairman of the VW group. He is also largely responsible for the Veyron. Many years ago, he demanded 1,000 hp from a street car and was told it was impossible. He refused to believe it. 450 Veyrons later, I bet he’s still grinning.
The Veyron is a car that we love to hate. But we cannot allow this to take away from the fact that it is one of the most extraordinary cars ever built. I think
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. “This is their [Bugatti’s] version of going to the moon. This is the moon shot. He [Ferdinand Piëch] willed this car to be done, and they got it done.” The Veyron might not be the best value, the most driver oriented, or the best looking car on the road. It is, however, a revolutionary car in every way, and I cannot wait to see what Bugatti has in store for the
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Photo Credit: Bugatti/Serious Wheels, !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!
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Holy shit instantaneously voids warranty! That is truly insane
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That $21,000 oil change is the most mind-blowing part of it all. Great work on the whole piece!
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“pretty safe to say that an engine made of two mated V8s “
No, two W8’s!
http://www.petrol-head.com/2007/12/20/vid…
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i thought it was a W16, not 2 V8’s.
W16 indicating 8 cylinders per bank, but in a staggered fashion (rather than in line) in order to shorten the overall length of the cylinder head.
2 V8s mated would be what? 4 separate cylinder heads?
if i’m wrong, then yes... that is something i didn’t know about the bugatti veyron.
Also, what’s the PS in Power/PS?
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GREAT ARTICLE, MATT! FRONT PAGE OR BUST! http://www.rightfootdown.com/thoughts/eight…
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hmm Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I’ve seen conflicting descriptions. It might be two VR8s (which are usually called Vs), one VR8 and one V8, or two W8s according to a quick search. Let me do a little digging before I edit it.
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To me, its more like this. The W8 VW is two VR5’s with one cylinder lopped off thus making a VR4. VR4 +VR4 (with a common crank) = W8.
W8 + W8 (with a common crank) = W16
Bugatti labels it a W16
http://www.bugatti.com/en/veyron/tech…
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Yeah, that makes sense! It has been changed. Thanks!
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Np.
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I always wanted to know what that power meter is measuring. Is it simply mapped to engine RPM? Or is it actually measuring power output (i.e. accounting for variables like temperature, altitude, fuel octane, etc.). If the latter, how is it doing that?
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Seriously. What needs to be done to charge that?
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Thanks so much! It’s hard for me to comprehend the cost of ownership here. The oil change cost blew my mind too.
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Serious question here:
If you have a Veyron just for bragging rights doing some slow drive-bys rather than doing top-speed runs (which I think is 90% of the owners), do you still need to replace the tires every 2,500 miles and the wheels every 10,000 miles?
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I’m not sure of the details. If I remember the linked episode of Leno’s Garage correctly, you can actually check the dip stick (it’s under a fuel filler type door opposite the actual fuel filler door) and you can even buy genuine Bugatti blend oil from Bugatti. Drinks on me to any Veyron owner who has ever attempted his/her own oil change.
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It is a W16, but is often described as 2 mated 8s. I had seen conflicting descriptions. Some say it’s two mated VR8s (which are usually called Vs), one VR8 and one V8, or two W8s. I ended up editing it to W8 though.
PS represents metric hp. Officially, Bugatti writes that there are 1001 metric hp and 987 bhp. They will tell you that their 987 is very conservative and are realistically pushing more than 1001 bhp. This seems to be how a lot of auto companies who use metric hp operate.
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Obligatory “TPS light because VW” post.
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i dont think its two mated W8s either.
W = two cylinder heads, where cylinders are not in line.
this is a W8.
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Here’s the Veyron’s block. It looks like 2 mated W8s, doesn’t it?
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it looks like a W16. :)
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“Bugatti recommends owners change them every 2,5000 miles. After 10,000 miles, Bugatti recommends that the wheels are changed at a cost of $69,000 .”
2,5000 miles <<
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The sheer operational costs are mind boggling! I hope that owners of these unique cars are made aware of that BEFORE they purchase one! Those costs are unbelievable!
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Congrats on the 1st
RFD
article. Look forward to working with you! It’s well put together (the article, and the car), I’ve always been a Veyron fan. Simply for how significant it is and the fact that it’s so fast but so comfortable, really the best of all worlds. Could be prettier, sure, but it’s still a feat of engineering.
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I agree haha
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I know! I guess they figure 234 is good enough for the average owner. Plus, I think it’s a matter of safety as there are only about 5 long enough stretches of road in the world to do 253 safely.
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That’s a good question. From what I’ve read, I believe that they still recommend it. Like you mentioned, most Veyrons will never get close to top speed. I have no explanation other than Bugatti is overly cautious with everything they do.
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That’s a fantastic question and one that I’ve wondered about as well. I was unable to find a proper answer - just a lot of people speculating.
One person seemed pretty confident with this, but I can’t say for certain if it’s correct.
It’s all computed... They know at full throttle at a certain engine speed will result in the full 1001 hp... everything else is pure calculation..... The engineers know how much power there will be at 30% throttle, 3420rpm while cruising down the highway… all they had to do was write the software and plug in the variables the engine should be putting out at given engine speeds and throttle positions.
It makes sense though. Interesting reading in this thread too.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-te…
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“Pretty sure that’s a Lambo dude”
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This one really surprised me (#4)...
but none of this occurs before a GPS tracker makes Bugatti aware of the car’s location in order to instantaneously void the factory warranty.
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I know it’s not a popular opinion, but I love the Bugatti. I think it might be because the car is just so insanely bonkers, or perhaps so many people hate it.
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Yeah, that was the LOL moment for me too. That’s one fact that Top Gear never told us.
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Finally a Jalopnik worthy article, instead of Tavarish’s posts about horrible cars, posts of bad music and other crap thats been running 75% of the time. Thanks!
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This car isn’t a technological marvel by any stretch of the imagination. It is hilarious as an example of extreme inefficiency though
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When I saw this gauge continuously throughout their testing on Top Gear, I always thought it was just some gimmick they edited together for the show. How little I knew.
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If they wanted to they could measure it. Put load cells under the engine mounts to detect output torque and multiply by output rotation in radians/second. Voila - power. They could even measure absorbed power that way during engine braking.
But they probably don’t.
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Its not a real VW until the CEL comes on. This thing only has its VAG learner’s permit right now.
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There are even mandatory annual detailing services totaling around $10,000.
That’s why people prefer Lambos....those just need a proper wash once in a while
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Do they just recommend it or will they void the warranty if you don’t change the tyres according to schedule?
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but none of this occurs before a GPS tracker makes Bugatti aware of the car’s location in order to instantaneously void the factory warranty.
Wow, I hadn’t heard that. You are a sucker if you buy a Veyron. Christ, that’s like buying a car that voids its warranty if you rev it above 4ooo.
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aaaaand confirmed why we should hate the very rich.
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Thank you; interesting and well written.
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My theory: they sold them at a loss, but it make it up on the consumables/services.
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but none of this occurs before a GPS tracker makes Bugatti aware of the car’s location in order to instantaneously void the factory warranty.
Burst out laughing when I read this.
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Later, driving a test mule at 200 mph resulted in six-foot-long exhaust flames. Whereas Lamborghini seems to celebrate their flames, Bugatti revamped the cooling system and created a titanium exhaust to do away with the “illegal” flames.
I see possibilities here.
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It’s fat and ugly...wait, we already knew that
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On the subject of tires, I think part of the reason for the frequent tire changes is most likely down to weight than anything else.
Many years ago, our garage used to look at a big old Bentley that belonged to an old boy who did about 4000 miles a year and never went over about 25mph. Even so, every year when we did the MOT test we would find the tires were worn and would change them. The only tires you could get were Michelin, if memory serves, and cost about £450 each (this was over twenty years ago too).
We actually spoke to Bentley at one point and they told us they recommended changing the tires fairly frequently. The only thing we could put it down to was the fact the car weighed over two tons and the tires would just scrub out.
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Well it’s nice to know that the day I die it will be in a car with a freshly voided warranty. This is assuming I strike it rich and the same rules apply to the new car, they undoubtedly will.
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I have a question about the loss VW makes on each Veyron - given the insane upkeep costs, does enough of that get back to VW, assuming the Veyron is driven for a year or three, to make up for the loss and then some? The Chiron would make a little more sense that way. Even if they were sold at a loss, if enough of the upkeep got back to VW, they might still be profitable for them long-term.
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I’ve never heard this before and it seems unlikely to be true. The only source I could find for it was some random person on reddit who said that if he remembered correctly that it voided the warranty and insurance.
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I admire VW and all they did to make this, I hate that it became a douche canoe symbol and major D bags in the middle east and the likes of Simon Cowell are the ones who drive them. For me the new One: 1 Egg is the coolest car, C Von K is the coolest car guy out there right now with all his wild experiments.
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I wonder if its full synthetic oil.
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Are you 100% certain about the warranty voided thing? I've looked for solid evidence and can only find heresay.
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This article is better if you imagine someone very distinguished sounding reading it to you, while this plays in the background.
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It is a technical marvel and masterpiece for those who can afford it. People on here act like they would rather have a Miata.
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What I imagine is that people who own Bugattis may not know some of these features but car guys know all of these things but drive 2001 Honda Accords.
Congrats on your first RFD Article though! Good read!
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From my understanding the Veyron was designed with the sole mission of being able to do its top speed run at any time. You don’t have to bring it in and have things changed, or adjusted, just pop in the Top Speed key and you’re off. That means the maintenance requirements have to support the car’s ability to do that at any time.
Could you leave the tires and wheels past their mileage? Probably yes, but you won’t know at what point you are going too fast for those over-aged components. Heck even the “normal” top speed is ass clenchingly fast. Once you skip the maintenance you become a test driver possibly on public roads.
The Veyron isn’t designed to be a cruiser, or a touring car. It’s a high speed luxo-rocket. You’re supposed to buy it, play with the speed like once, maybe drive it around for a little while (without driving it into a lake), then park it and look at it for the rest of forever. T-pain was smart to unload it for cars better suited to regular use. Well as smart as One Million Dollars of Depreciation is smart.
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For some reason - maybe the paint scheme/ angle of photo/ lower wheel gap?? - makes this particular car seems to be more “compact”. I am comparing this to the blue car 2 photos down... maybe its the raised spoiler..
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So they made the fastest production car in the world but they won’t warranty it at that speed. Under the term ‘production car’ that shouldn’t be allowed. It’s as stupid as this stupid car.
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WANT THIS SO BAD.. Porsche, any roadmaps to make this happen? Please charge $24.99, instead of $2499. I can go upto $49.99. :)
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The owner has to be dumb enough to bend ALL the way over to insert the dipstick.
Honestly, i admire the cars engineering but this much money in upkeep tells me the owners aren't just stupid rich, they're also stupid.
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Well all of this is just stupid. It’s clearly a piece of junk that needs all this work.
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Since when did we get excited over PRNDL?
I’ll admit I never really got into this car to begin with, but I never realized that it was a slushbox.
CP
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An amazing car with no class what so ever.
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A lot of cocaine.
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Future Jalopnik Blog: You Can Buy A Used Veyron For The Price of New Ford GT LeMans
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....a GPS tracker makes Bugatti aware of the car’s location in order to instantaneously void the factory warranty. Really? You don’t have the confidence that engine and build can handle the hp? I guess that makes you like any ordinary toyota tercel that would splinter to pieces if you put the petal to the metal to maintain its tops speed.
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I can imagine city driving with a lot of turning wears those immensely wide tires pretty hard as well, and it’s soft rubber compound as well... Anyway, if you can’t afford tires for this car, you shouldn’t even consider buying one. ;) It’s a ludicrous, overpriced money-shredder (but damn, so beautiful! :D)
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Whatever it is, there’s liable to be a lot of it. A LOT of it.
(googles...) Yes indeed, a lot. Gotta buy 44 quarts of the stuff.
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No, two VR6’s and a couple harley engines to make up.
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It’s probably made from Unicorn Blood.
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The fuel injection and ignition system has sensors that measure air volume and pressure (probably temperature too), for correct ignition. If you know how much fuel you’re burning in how much air, you know how much power the engine is outputting. So it’s calculated yes, but undoubtedly those calculations are all based on a number of actual sensor readings.
This is a german engineered car after all. ;)
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Reminds me of the burnout button on the 2016 Mustang that also voids the warranty.
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I always thought if you knew the mass of fuel consumption per increment of time you’d know the power output. But like you said, just speculating.
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It’s also possible to calculate actual power output on the spot, independent of all those other variables like air pressure; you just need a torquemeter (ie. a sensor that measures the strain in some rotating part of the transmission), and an RPM count etc. I don’t know whether the Veyron uses that approach, though.
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69k for ugly rims.... da fuck. Im sure HRE’s could do the job at a fraction of that price.
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Better be, considering you can buy 438 gallons of Red Line for that much.
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Need to put some air in those tires.
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Could you afford whatever to Top Shelf drink a Veyron owner drinks?
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There are even mandatory annual detailing services totaling around $10,000.
Mandated by WHOM?
Fuck that shit.
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BOSS: driving 253mph with matching “driving shoes”...
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The car pretty much needs to be taken apart I think.
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There is a technical term for the remains of a bird after an encounter with a plane: Snarge
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...and why is that? People who can afford this car are...stupid? That doesn’t make any sense.
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This is third trending on Kinja!
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All of us non-Veyron drivers can take solace from one fact.
We’ve got more taste than this guy:
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No, but the factory basically tells you that you need to do it.
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Damn, the maintenance costs alone would make me seriously consider this (and for those that don’t know, this is where it’s a Lambo came from):
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...Huh? It uses a dual-clutch gearbox, still to date the strongest one ever made. It shifts instantaneously, has 7 forward speeds, and based on how reliable these cars have been...it’s indestructible.
The whole “no manual no care lolz” thing is starting to get pretty old.
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If you can afford this car, you probably don’t care. I know I wouldn’t.
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It’s smaller than whatever you drive, probably.
Subjective opinion is awfully subjective.
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Currently yes, but once I get my car, not quite(more than likely an NA Miata)
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you think you can afford whatever it is they drink?
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So here’s my question: If a 1000HP twin turbo LS motor doesn’t burn down the speed shop it’s built in, how come the Veyron does?
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I wonder if the reset switch is in the glove box for the Veyron too.
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I’m almost certain its because you can’t change the oil without a bunch of complicated tools and a huge voiding of the contracts involved in owning the car.
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1. You got this phrase backwards
“It turns out that bird strikes are as big an issue for planes as they are for Veyrons”
. Veyron is the subject, planes are the thing you’re comparing them to. The discovery that bird strikes are bad for Veyrons came later, thus evoking the comparison to planes.
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Change the wheels?
What kind of crap wheels is Bugatti making?
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No...their legal team is cautious in everything they recommend.
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I was fascinated with the Veyron when it first came out, and this is something that I vividly remember. That being said, I cannot find a well-known source to verify it 100% online so I removed it to prevent any chance of false info. I’ll go dig through some old print magazines to see if I can find the reference.
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Actually, the engineering world is full of BoB as WoW. Tolerance stacks. No two engines are ever alike. Calculations are estimates typically based on nominal values.
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Being the cheap as that I am I will no doubt replace wheels and tires with far cheaper ones. Unless I am going 240 plus I don’t see the need for them. Also those tire prices are ridiculous. You can buy a whole bad ass sports car for the price of a set of Veyron tires. Then again I don’t have money to flush down the toilet.